Saturday, June 18, 2005
Response
Well, here's some responses I can think of to Chris' comments.
I think the "I heart Gitmo" t-shirt bluntly and crudely says "fuck terrorists", something many of us think one time or another.
If someone wore a shirt that said "fuck terrorists" I would react the same way to the "Fuck Bush" t-shirt that I saw, which is a slight discomfort at the bluntness of the message, but no real qualms with what the person was trying to say. These t-shirts seemed to have been created and promoted by the Powerline jerks and other conservative hacks as specifically a reaction to the questions being raised by both Democrats and moderate Republicans to the usefullness and constitutionality of Gitmo. If at least one person completely innocent of terrorism is being held or has been held there, that prison camp is against freedom and against the principles of our country. People have been tortured according to official FBI reports. I hope you read Daily Kos' comments that I linked to. Here's what I believe is relevant from his post:
Does Powerline love a prison camp? Really? How very strange. See the need for it? Definitely.
But that is not what this is about. In context, without expressly saying the words, after the Koran abuse, after defaming Senator Durbin as Powerline has, I think the only fair conclusion as to Powerline's meaning here is this:
"Powerline Loves the Abuses of Guantanamo".
Gitmo as a tool for fighting terrorism I imagine can be argued on its merits, although I personally would not participate in such an argument because I am too passionate against the indefinite detention and Saddam-esque torture of innocent people. But propping these t-shirts up was not done in a news vacuum. It's a reaction to the recent awareness media and politicians calling attention and provoking discussion about the practices and ideals behind Gitmo's existence. It's attrocious that rather than try to even offer arguments that skirt around Gitmo's bad aspects, they say "GITMO-WE LOVE IT!" as a respond to some very troubling concerns about the need for Gitmo to be around. Loving Gitmo is NOT loving Bush terrorist policy, in the current context it is a reaction to the fake liberal boogeymen that somehow hate soldiers and want terrorists to go free.
What it also says, on the link you offer, is that they are designed to support the troops, not moral depravity.
What the manufacturers are saying is that the two can be separated, what you're saying is that they cannot.
I'm curious... do portions of the profits from the "I Love Gitmo" t-shirts go to a fund helping wounded soldiers, etc.? Are there links on the t-shirt website to veterans groups calling for the Bush administration to extend veteran health benefits? Are people promoting the t-shirts calling for those buying the shirts of fighting age to at least consider enlisting and helping out with the troop shortage? Does the be all and end all of supporting the troops consist of silencing any liberal-to-moderate war dissenters in this country by barraging them with clothing and bumpers stickers with absurd and shallow conservative slogans? Is the worst enemy for our soldiers the insurgents that are blowing them up, the administration that sent them over there, or the American citizen that thanks to coverage of Gitmo's controversies a good 4 years later might consider how Gitmo's continued existence in its current form really makes us safer? If the main enemy is the latter of the three, then conservative warbloggers unite, order "I Love Gitmo t-shirts" by the dozens and silence this enemy in the passing chance you come across them in a public place and they happen to glance at your chest or car. The war effort and our soldiers need you!!! a little sarcasm there.
The answer, of course, depends wholly on your point of view, but your assumption "...the loving Gitmo t-shirts profess a depth of moral depravity on the part of the wearer of the shirts that is incredibly sad.", is incorrect. A simple omission caused this, and the error can be rectified, rather simply, by putting the following two words: "I think", directly prior to the above quotation.
That would be a sentence I would agree with. Without those two words, I'd have to disagree, for this reason: There are some who would call you morally depraved for your opinions on Gitmo. They would suggest that you support terrorists by framing our soldiers in controversy (and this scandal has obviously hurt the war on terror, whether it was right or wrong to investigate it).
I couldn't quite articulate what I felt about this, so I didn't choose the best words, but if you are so mindless to see those Abu Gharib pictures and read about the Gitmo torture, and if you're first reaction is not "OH MY FUCKING GOD, THIS IS HORRIBLE!" that you are morally depraved. Since this theoretical person who would consider me morally depraved for framing our soldiers in controversy, then he/she is limiting the views on Gitmo from its admitedly more murky legal status to the actions soldiers were allowed to take there and elsewhere. If the line has been drawn by Rush Limbaugh and his ilk that dismiss mistreatment of prisoners as fraternity pranks, or of Jeff Sessions, Senator from Alabama who recently called Gitmo a resort , then I will happy stand on the side of the line far away from them.
I'm sure you would reply by saying that the two can be separated, that no, you do not support terrorists, just the Geneva Convention, and that you don't appreciate someone putting words in your mouth.
Right, fuck terrorists. I'm be the first, second, and third person to say it. I think everyone except the extreme left and the extreme right wing hate terrorism and hate the people that engage in it. The guidelines of the liberal/conservative divide on the more nuanced aspects of hating terrorism have changed... and this change was made not by the liberals or moderates become more extreme in professing the needs to "understand the reasons" behind terrorist actions. Rather, thanks to conservative hacks in the media and on the political podium, any criticism towards anything Bush does has been equated with supporting terrorism and hating troops. That is how simple-minded and absurd it has got, and a moral judgement on my part towards people that find any reason to justify the Bush line on things no matter how awful it is should not be seen as a moral depravity on my part. I am merely reacting to the morally depraved mindset that instead of believing "torture is bad" believes "torture is only bad if it is done by people Bush wants to go to war with and it is good against brown people and Muslims because they are evil".
Ditto.
Let the fools wear their t-shirts. I wouldn't wear this one, but there are definitely some hilarious ones on the Powerline site that I might, indeed wear. The "celebrate diversity" t-shirt, depicting some 16 various guns springs to mind, or the picture of Che Guevara with a no-smoking circle/slash over his face (the idea of a T-shirt not celebrating Che Guevara is indeed revolutionary.)
Gun rights? whatever, wear a shirt about it. Fiendishly dismissing the power of a radical Hispanic activist? Okay, don't know much about that. The shirts you gave seem are only marginally offensive to me.
In closing, I would say the pharse "tacky form of activism", is redundant because, activism, by definition, involves attention getting, stunt-making, goading, and generally making a public ass of one's self for the primary purpose of self-aggrandizing (a political or social cause being a distant second, but then I put words in mouths). Whether you’re an "I heart Gitmo" redneck or a nude-bicycle-riding exhibitionist, the goal is to offend someone with differing sensibilities, by flying in the face of those sensibilities.
Tacky, indeed.
Pretty good point. It is these gestures on the part of legitimate conservative spokespeople like the Powerline guys that twist the knife a little deeper, though. I think its tacky and infuriating on their part to provide a link to these shirts with a statement "wear it close to your heart". And in a macro-view of things their use of their popular blog medium to promote that kind of message in that way further moves me towards absolute judgement of those guys and most of their devoted readers as adopting a conservative line of thought that is morally depraved and sad.
Gitmo as a terrorism-fighting tool should be openly discussed in our political sphere. I mean we want the most cost-effective and useful ways to keep terrorists from getting us right? Instead you've got this t-shirt simplifying everything, Senator Sessions calling it a resort, and another Representative responding to legitimiate criticisms of prisoner treatment by reciting the DAMN GITMO MENU (look for Rep. Duncan Hunter's statements.
If these conservative leaders are defining the argument in this way, should I rise above them to stratospheric levels when judging people who would go out of their way to profess love for a facility which is probably the closest thing (though still far from it) a developed country in the 21st century has to a concentration camp? That's asking a lot for a humble liberal.
Any one else want to chime in? You don't like it when everyone gangs up on you, though, right Lyon?
I think the "I heart Gitmo" t-shirt bluntly and crudely says "fuck terrorists", something many of us think one time or another.
If someone wore a shirt that said "fuck terrorists" I would react the same way to the "Fuck Bush" t-shirt that I saw, which is a slight discomfort at the bluntness of the message, but no real qualms with what the person was trying to say. These t-shirts seemed to have been created and promoted by the Powerline jerks and other conservative hacks as specifically a reaction to the questions being raised by both Democrats and moderate Republicans to the usefullness and constitutionality of Gitmo. If at least one person completely innocent of terrorism is being held or has been held there, that prison camp is against freedom and against the principles of our country. People have been tortured according to official FBI reports. I hope you read Daily Kos' comments that I linked to. Here's what I believe is relevant from his post:
Does Powerline love a prison camp? Really? How very strange. See the need for it? Definitely.
But that is not what this is about. In context, without expressly saying the words, after the Koran abuse, after defaming Senator Durbin as Powerline has, I think the only fair conclusion as to Powerline's meaning here is this:
"Powerline Loves the Abuses of Guantanamo".
Gitmo as a tool for fighting terrorism I imagine can be argued on its merits, although I personally would not participate in such an argument because I am too passionate against the indefinite detention and Saddam-esque torture of innocent people. But propping these t-shirts up was not done in a news vacuum. It's a reaction to the recent awareness media and politicians calling attention and provoking discussion about the practices and ideals behind Gitmo's existence. It's attrocious that rather than try to even offer arguments that skirt around Gitmo's bad aspects, they say "GITMO-WE LOVE IT!" as a respond to some very troubling concerns about the need for Gitmo to be around. Loving Gitmo is NOT loving Bush terrorist policy, in the current context it is a reaction to the fake liberal boogeymen that somehow hate soldiers and want terrorists to go free.
What it also says, on the link you offer, is that they are designed to support the troops, not moral depravity.
What the manufacturers are saying is that the two can be separated, what you're saying is that they cannot.
I'm curious... do portions of the profits from the "I Love Gitmo" t-shirts go to a fund helping wounded soldiers, etc.? Are there links on the t-shirt website to veterans groups calling for the Bush administration to extend veteran health benefits? Are people promoting the t-shirts calling for those buying the shirts of fighting age to at least consider enlisting and helping out with the troop shortage? Does the be all and end all of supporting the troops consist of silencing any liberal-to-moderate war dissenters in this country by barraging them with clothing and bumpers stickers with absurd and shallow conservative slogans? Is the worst enemy for our soldiers the insurgents that are blowing them up, the administration that sent them over there, or the American citizen that thanks to coverage of Gitmo's controversies a good 4 years later might consider how Gitmo's continued existence in its current form really makes us safer? If the main enemy is the latter of the three, then conservative warbloggers unite, order "I Love Gitmo t-shirts" by the dozens and silence this enemy in the passing chance you come across them in a public place and they happen to glance at your chest or car. The war effort and our soldiers need you!!! a little sarcasm there.
The answer, of course, depends wholly on your point of view, but your assumption "...the loving Gitmo t-shirts profess a depth of moral depravity on the part of the wearer of the shirts that is incredibly sad.", is incorrect. A simple omission caused this, and the error can be rectified, rather simply, by putting the following two words: "I think", directly prior to the above quotation.
That would be a sentence I would agree with. Without those two words, I'd have to disagree, for this reason: There are some who would call you morally depraved for your opinions on Gitmo. They would suggest that you support terrorists by framing our soldiers in controversy (and this scandal has obviously hurt the war on terror, whether it was right or wrong to investigate it).
I couldn't quite articulate what I felt about this, so I didn't choose the best words, but if you are so mindless to see those Abu Gharib pictures and read about the Gitmo torture, and if you're first reaction is not "OH MY FUCKING GOD, THIS IS HORRIBLE!" that you are morally depraved. Since this theoretical person who would consider me morally depraved for framing our soldiers in controversy, then he/she is limiting the views on Gitmo from its admitedly more murky legal status to the actions soldiers were allowed to take there and elsewhere. If the line has been drawn by Rush Limbaugh and his ilk that dismiss mistreatment of prisoners as fraternity pranks, or of Jeff Sessions, Senator from Alabama who recently called Gitmo a resort , then I will happy stand on the side of the line far away from them.
I'm sure you would reply by saying that the two can be separated, that no, you do not support terrorists, just the Geneva Convention, and that you don't appreciate someone putting words in your mouth.
Right, fuck terrorists. I'm be the first, second, and third person to say it. I think everyone except the extreme left and the extreme right wing hate terrorism and hate the people that engage in it. The guidelines of the liberal/conservative divide on the more nuanced aspects of hating terrorism have changed... and this change was made not by the liberals or moderates become more extreme in professing the needs to "understand the reasons" behind terrorist actions. Rather, thanks to conservative hacks in the media and on the political podium, any criticism towards anything Bush does has been equated with supporting terrorism and hating troops. That is how simple-minded and absurd it has got, and a moral judgement on my part towards people that find any reason to justify the Bush line on things no matter how awful it is should not be seen as a moral depravity on my part. I am merely reacting to the morally depraved mindset that instead of believing "torture is bad" believes "torture is only bad if it is done by people Bush wants to go to war with and it is good against brown people and Muslims because they are evil".
Ditto.
Let the fools wear their t-shirts. I wouldn't wear this one, but there are definitely some hilarious ones on the Powerline site that I might, indeed wear. The "celebrate diversity" t-shirt, depicting some 16 various guns springs to mind, or the picture of Che Guevara with a no-smoking circle/slash over his face (the idea of a T-shirt not celebrating Che Guevara is indeed revolutionary.)
Gun rights? whatever, wear a shirt about it. Fiendishly dismissing the power of a radical Hispanic activist? Okay, don't know much about that. The shirts you gave seem are only marginally offensive to me.
In closing, I would say the pharse "tacky form of activism", is redundant because, activism, by definition, involves attention getting, stunt-making, goading, and generally making a public ass of one's self for the primary purpose of self-aggrandizing (a political or social cause being a distant second, but then I put words in mouths). Whether you’re an "I heart Gitmo" redneck or a nude-bicycle-riding exhibitionist, the goal is to offend someone with differing sensibilities, by flying in the face of those sensibilities.
Tacky, indeed.
Pretty good point. It is these gestures on the part of legitimate conservative spokespeople like the Powerline guys that twist the knife a little deeper, though. I think its tacky and infuriating on their part to provide a link to these shirts with a statement "wear it close to your heart". And in a macro-view of things their use of their popular blog medium to promote that kind of message in that way further moves me towards absolute judgement of those guys and most of their devoted readers as adopting a conservative line of thought that is morally depraved and sad.
Gitmo as a terrorism-fighting tool should be openly discussed in our political sphere. I mean we want the most cost-effective and useful ways to keep terrorists from getting us right? Instead you've got this t-shirt simplifying everything, Senator Sessions calling it a resort, and another Representative responding to legitimiate criticisms of prisoner treatment by reciting the DAMN GITMO MENU (look for Rep. Duncan Hunter's statements.
If these conservative leaders are defining the argument in this way, should I rise above them to stratospheric levels when judging people who would go out of their way to profess love for a facility which is probably the closest thing (though still far from it) a developed country in the 21st century has to a concentration camp? That's asking a lot for a humble liberal.
Any one else want to chime in? You don't like it when everyone gangs up on you, though, right Lyon?
Friday, June 17, 2005
Shrinking my social circle
If I come across you on the street, and you are wearing one one of these shirts, YOU WILL NEVER BE MY FRIEND. You will in fact be the most unfathomably pompous jerkwad ever to wear a poltically oriented t-shirt.
How did I find out about this? Oh, the famous Powerline hacks!
Actually for full disclosure I got the link to Powerline from liberal blogger Daily Kos.
But the post speaks for itself.
If you could defend Guatanamo Bay from some kind of distant intellectual foreign policy perspective, would you where a shirt like that to profess your support for it? Kind of a tacky form of activism, the free speech equivalent of a guy on a bus I saw wearing a t-shirt that says "Fuck Bush". Only while that guy was bluntly and crudely saying on a t-shirt what so many of us think one time or another, the loving Gitmo t-shirts profess a depth of moral depravity on the part of the wearer of the shirts that is incredibly sad. I doubt they'll only be worn in heavily Republican parts of heavy Republican states where Bush is never questioned and cars with Democrat-themed bumper stickers get keyed.
Weekend time!
How did I find out about this? Oh, the famous Powerline hacks!
Actually for full disclosure I got the link to Powerline from liberal blogger Daily Kos.
But the post speaks for itself.
If you could defend Guatanamo Bay from some kind of distant intellectual foreign policy perspective, would you where a shirt like that to profess your support for it? Kind of a tacky form of activism, the free speech equivalent of a guy on a bus I saw wearing a t-shirt that says "Fuck Bush". Only while that guy was bluntly and crudely saying on a t-shirt what so many of us think one time or another, the loving Gitmo t-shirts profess a depth of moral depravity on the part of the wearer of the shirts that is incredibly sad. I doubt they'll only be worn in heavily Republican parts of heavy Republican states where Bush is never questioned and cars with Democrat-themed bumper stickers get keyed.
Weekend time!
Thursday, June 16, 2005
Explore music
So, Mellissa and others, if you like Sufjan Stevens, you can find more free legal mp3s of him at this site. 3hive.com collects promotional mp3s of complete songs from across the Internet into a conveniently organized site. There will be close to no artists you would hear on any radio station, but you might find that diamond in the rough.
At work today, I had two meetings where my role was just the listener. And they were in two different places in downtown Chicago at two different times. Needless to say, the little time I had at my desk I was very distracted and not very productive, but I don't have any dangerously close deadlines.
I had too much on my mind because if you've been following the news lately, there is a lot of lousy political stuff going on, with Republicans defending in extremely callous and bizarre ways the most depraved acts done on human beings in our country's name in recent history. The dark irony of torturing prisoners in the exact same place that Saddam tortured prisoners or "defending freedom" by keeping enemy combatants in the only U.S. jurisdiction where prisoners do not have any rights... the irony of that is so obvious that the concept of irony ought to be chained to celing and beaten to death, or maybe irony's holy religious text should be pissed on, or irony's... well you get the idea.
Alas, though, I have not reached a tipping point, to where I take the time to dump a bunch of links on you and articulate why I hate the mentality that leads people to justify particular Republican policies. I'm not quite at Terri Schiavo level outrage yet, and you know how I got when that was the story of the week I don't think I should bother with a follow-up on that one, given the recent news on her actual medical condition right? Damn doctors with their medicine, and science, and autopsies revealing what a bunch of liars everyone from the President to the psychos protesting at her hospice are. You know what we should do to those "doctors" that make conservative pundits look bad? That's right, torture 'em!
I'd say that's probably the tipping point right there, although not a very well referenced one. If you are confused drop me a line and I will send you links to articles to give you context.
Have a blessed Friday, weekend, whatever it is until I post again.
At work today, I had two meetings where my role was just the listener. And they were in two different places in downtown Chicago at two different times. Needless to say, the little time I had at my desk I was very distracted and not very productive, but I don't have any dangerously close deadlines.
I had too much on my mind because if you've been following the news lately, there is a lot of lousy political stuff going on, with Republicans defending in extremely callous and bizarre ways the most depraved acts done on human beings in our country's name in recent history. The dark irony of torturing prisoners in the exact same place that Saddam tortured prisoners or "defending freedom" by keeping enemy combatants in the only U.S. jurisdiction where prisoners do not have any rights... the irony of that is so obvious that the concept of irony ought to be chained to celing and beaten to death, or maybe irony's holy religious text should be pissed on, or irony's... well you get the idea.
Alas, though, I have not reached a tipping point, to where I take the time to dump a bunch of links on you and articulate why I hate the mentality that leads people to justify particular Republican policies. I'm not quite at Terri Schiavo level outrage yet, and you know how I got when that was the story of the week I don't think I should bother with a follow-up on that one, given the recent news on her actual medical condition right? Damn doctors with their medicine, and science, and autopsies revealing what a bunch of liars everyone from the President to the psychos protesting at her hospice are. You know what we should do to those "doctors" that make conservative pundits look bad? That's right, torture 'em!
I'd say that's probably the tipping point right there, although not a very well referenced one. If you are confused drop me a line and I will send you links to articles to give you context.
Have a blessed Friday, weekend, whatever it is until I post again.
Tuesday, June 14, 2005
trip, book, song
Hey guys!
Looks like I'm gonna try and pull off an overnight train ride to see some of you in Vermont over July 4th weekend! Have you all changed that much in 4+ years??? Your photos look normal (relative to how 'normal' we were in high school) but who knows what to expect?
I'm almost wrapped up with Season 4 of Mr. Show. I've managed to not devour 10 episodes in one day, but much to my surprise on two of the episodes so far I got to see the comic stylings of a younger Gordon Crisp from Freak and Geeks!!! He is the missing link between the two shows I own on TV, there must be a meaning to it all.
Oh by the way there is a minor actor in #1 movie the Blues Brothers (a non-speaking role who played one of the Illinois Nazis) who also has a minor role in #2 movie Fargo (he was the guy who called William H. Macy a f--in' liar). So there.
I just wrapped up a book I'd like to recommend to ya'll... of just talk about. I have been a science fiction kick for a couple of years now. Using old short story collection and this list as a framework to explore modern science fiction classics. I have had some really wonderful and surreal reading experiences, but I have also picked up what's entertaining to people that like to read sci-fi and what would be entertaining to people that like a good fictional concept.
Gateway, by Frederik Pohl is one of the latter I think. The concept is that there is a future with very little natural resources and very little jobs or careers that offer any sort of upward mobility. However, on an asteroid in our solar system a whole system of tunnels was discovered, with hundreds of alien spaceships perfectly intact in these tunnels.
These spaceships are hundreds of thousands of years old and they still operate, only in ways that no humans can understand. They don't know where they can go exactly, they don't know when the fuel gets empty, but they do go faster than any human spacecraft to further reaches of the universe, to planets and systems that are set by a course-setting device that humans don't know how to control exactly. Humans can ride in these and submit themselves to a russian roulette style of prospecting. There is a high ratio of mission failures and crew deaths, but if a prospector happens to find an alien artifact or something that can be used to keep the human race alive through the use of new alien technology, they can get tons of wealth and be set for a life of luxury for the rest of their lives.
That took a little too long to explain, but I hope I convey to you the sense of hopelessness that is pervasive throughout the book, where the only chance to get out of a life of misery and poverty is to take one of these ships which might blow up, run out of feul, or take too long to reach its destination to the point where you starve--and take it to a random unknown location under a distant chance that it is near a planet that is capable of being explored for a ticket to freedom and what in the book is called "Full Medical" meaning all the health care you need. Anyway, there was a lot of tension and the book was well written. As with a lot of sci-fi books, it is part of a series of novels, so there are some unfunished elements, but standing alone its very entertaining, even with a slightly abrupt ending.
Finally, check out this link to a song by Sufjan Stevens called.... Chicago! It's one of those songs that is really awesome the first 2 or 3 times you hear it, then you think its kind of sappy, then you listen to it a few months/years later and its great again! You know... those kind of songs.
Click on download on this webpage to listen!
So I'm in the state where I invested my time in a novel and now I want to decide what to read next, so I'm open for suggestions. However, I want it to be fiction, and it doesn't have to be sci-fi but I would like it to be as dynamically unrealistic as possible without being too bizarre. Something thrilling, not strictly emotional. Like a political drama or something. Anyway the floor is yours.
Looks like I'm gonna try and pull off an overnight train ride to see some of you in Vermont over July 4th weekend! Have you all changed that much in 4+ years??? Your photos look normal (relative to how 'normal' we were in high school) but who knows what to expect?
I'm almost wrapped up with Season 4 of Mr. Show. I've managed to not devour 10 episodes in one day, but much to my surprise on two of the episodes so far I got to see the comic stylings of a younger Gordon Crisp from Freak and Geeks!!! He is the missing link between the two shows I own on TV, there must be a meaning to it all.
Oh by the way there is a minor actor in #1 movie the Blues Brothers (a non-speaking role who played one of the Illinois Nazis) who also has a minor role in #2 movie Fargo (he was the guy who called William H. Macy a f--in' liar). So there.
I just wrapped up a book I'd like to recommend to ya'll... of just talk about. I have been a science fiction kick for a couple of years now. Using old short story collection and this list as a framework to explore modern science fiction classics. I have had some really wonderful and surreal reading experiences, but I have also picked up what's entertaining to people that like to read sci-fi and what would be entertaining to people that like a good fictional concept.
Gateway, by Frederik Pohl is one of the latter I think. The concept is that there is a future with very little natural resources and very little jobs or careers that offer any sort of upward mobility. However, on an asteroid in our solar system a whole system of tunnels was discovered, with hundreds of alien spaceships perfectly intact in these tunnels.
These spaceships are hundreds of thousands of years old and they still operate, only in ways that no humans can understand. They don't know where they can go exactly, they don't know when the fuel gets empty, but they do go faster than any human spacecraft to further reaches of the universe, to planets and systems that are set by a course-setting device that humans don't know how to control exactly. Humans can ride in these and submit themselves to a russian roulette style of prospecting. There is a high ratio of mission failures and crew deaths, but if a prospector happens to find an alien artifact or something that can be used to keep the human race alive through the use of new alien technology, they can get tons of wealth and be set for a life of luxury for the rest of their lives.
That took a little too long to explain, but I hope I convey to you the sense of hopelessness that is pervasive throughout the book, where the only chance to get out of a life of misery and poverty is to take one of these ships which might blow up, run out of feul, or take too long to reach its destination to the point where you starve--and take it to a random unknown location under a distant chance that it is near a planet that is capable of being explored for a ticket to freedom and what in the book is called "Full Medical" meaning all the health care you need. Anyway, there was a lot of tension and the book was well written. As with a lot of sci-fi books, it is part of a series of novels, so there are some unfunished elements, but standing alone its very entertaining, even with a slightly abrupt ending.
Finally, check out this link to a song by Sufjan Stevens called.... Chicago! It's one of those songs that is really awesome the first 2 or 3 times you hear it, then you think its kind of sappy, then you listen to it a few months/years later and its great again! You know... those kind of songs.
Click on download on this webpage to listen!
So I'm in the state where I invested my time in a novel and now I want to decide what to read next, so I'm open for suggestions. However, I want it to be fiction, and it doesn't have to be sci-fi but I would like it to be as dynamically unrealistic as possible without being too bizarre. Something thrilling, not strictly emotional. Like a political drama or something. Anyway the floor is yours.

